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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 24, 2013 7:33:21 GMT 12
If Maria and Rosa die together, the GM is not allowed to confirm their deaths in red. The only way to confirm their deaths is if Rosa did not die alongside Maria, and them being found dead in the same room is no guarantee that they died together. I'll let that stand for nowThe only servants who had access to the tea and cakes were the ones who died Then one of the dead servants did the drugging. Why would the killer kill his accomplice in the first set of murders instead of waiting until later to do so?
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Post by animex75 on Sept 24, 2013 7:39:13 GMT 12
If Maria and Rosa die together, the GM is not allowed to confirm their deaths in red. The only way to confirm their deaths is if Rosa did not die alongside Maria, and them being found dead in the same room is no guarantee that they died together. I'll let that stand for now Then I shall make the first use of my new picture in regards to the red about Maria and Rosa dying together!Then one of the dead servants did the drugging. Why would the killer kill his accomplice in the first set of murders instead of waiting until later to do so? Tying up loose ends, perhaps? Or maybe that servant threatened to expose the culprit.
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Post by Cloud on Sept 24, 2013 7:45:55 GMT 12
We can confirm the deaths of Maria and Rosa through other means, i.e The Detective seeing them or Dr Nanjo checking the corpses. Rosa and Maria are still alive and Nanjo was lying.
Kanon was noted as having been in the kitchen, Kanon is also the only person who saw the letter in Gohda's pocket. When Genji was preparing cakes for Maria and Hideyoshi, he drugged the ingredients. Kanon is an accomplice that unlocked the door for the real culprit.
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 24, 2013 7:56:48 GMT 12
We can confirm the deaths of Maria and Rosa through other means, i.e The Detective seeing them or Dr Nanjo checking the corpses. Rosa and Maria are still alive and Nanjo was lying.
Kanon was noted as having been in the kitchen, Kanon is also the only person who saw the letter in Gohda's pocket. When Genji was preparing cakes for Maria and Hideyoshi, he drugged the ingredients. Kanon is an accomplice that unlocked the door for the real culprit. Jessica is the detective. She searched all six bodies so that would mean she did see Rosa and Maria dead, no?The letter in Ghoda's pocket had gone unnoticed by anyone until Kanon saw it. It could have been slipped into his pocket by the culprit.I won't rebut the rest.
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Post by animex75 on Sept 24, 2013 8:06:34 GMT 12
It could've been the culprit, but how are we to know that Gohda wasn't instructed by the culprit to carry it and Kanon was told to "find" it when everyone was together?
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 24, 2013 8:14:05 GMT 12
It could've been the culprit, but how are we to know that Gohda wasn't instructed by the culprit to carry it and Kanon was told to "find" it when everyone was together? Because there was no accomplice. The culprit drugged the ingredients while the servants were away from the kitchen tending to other duties
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Sept 24, 2013 8:22:33 GMT 12
After everyone found the door closed the first time, the killer took the opportunity to open the door, close it from outside and escape.
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 24, 2013 8:24:36 GMT 12
After everyone found the door closed the first time, the killer took the opportunity to open the door, close it from outside and escape. Wouldn't someone have seen the killer leave the room then?
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Post by animex75 on Sept 24, 2013 8:26:37 GMT 12
After everyone found the door closed the first time, the killer took the opportunity to open the door, close it from outside and escape. Wouldn't someone have seen the killer leave the room then? Not if the entire family went to get the key to open the door.
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 24, 2013 8:35:46 GMT 12
Wouldn't someone have seen the killer leave the room then? Not if the entire family went to get the key to open the door. Except the door was locked and the dead servants' keys were still in their pockets. If the killer escaped they'd have to re-lock the door from the outside. How, then, could the killer escape the room and lock the door behind him? And why would the entire family go to get the key to open the door when all they would need is Kanon or Ghoda's master key.
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Post by animex75 on Sept 24, 2013 9:00:37 GMT 12
Not if the entire family went to get the key to open the door. Except the door was locked and the dead servants' keys were still in their pockets. If the killer escaped they'd have to re-lock the door from the outside. How, then, could the killer escape the room and lock the door behind him? And why would the entire family go to get the key to open the door when all they would need is Kanon or Ghoda's master key. They could easily have just had to get Kanon or Gohda in order to get them to open the door! As for locking it back, if the killer is trying to frame Eva then they could just take the key to her room prior to the murders and use it to lock the door back after slipping out.
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 24, 2013 9:36:14 GMT 12
Except the door was locked and the dead servants' keys were still in their pockets. If the killer escaped they'd have to re-lock the door from the outside. How, then, could the killer escape the room and lock the door behind him? And why would the entire family go to get the key to open the door when all they would need is Kanon or Ghoda's master key. They could easily have just had to get Kanon or Gohda in order to get them to open the door! As for locking it back, if the killer is trying to frame Eva then they could just take the key to her room prior to the murders and use it to lock the door back after slipping out. The culprit could have just as easily used Eva's key to get into hers and Hideyoshi's room in the first place and used it to get out after the fact. And only one of the family members would have needed to go find Kanon or Ghoda. That was Kyrie. Rudolf could have stayed in front of Eva's door while the rest of the family gathered there.
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Post by animex75 on Sept 24, 2013 10:26:18 GMT 12
They could easily have just had to get Kanon or Gohda in order to get them to open the door! As for locking it back, if the killer is trying to frame Eva then they could just take the key to her room prior to the murders and use it to lock the door back after slipping out. The culprit could have just as easily used Eva's key to get into hers and Hideyoshi's room in the first place and used it to get out after the fact. And only one of the family members would have needed to go find Kanon or Ghoda. That was Kyrie. Rudolf could have stayed in front of Eva's door while the rest of the family gathered there. The rest of the family could just as easily have been looking for something to open the door and left the area around the room long enough for the culprit to exit.
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Post by Yarn Witch on Sept 24, 2013 11:43:01 GMT 12
"The time of death was around 11:30, Miss Jessica. From the look of the knife in Miss Eva's hand and the wounds, they've been stabbed" Nanjo replies.
Sept 22, 2013 22:51:02 GMT -7 Ebilkitty said: "It's about half past midnight, Miss Jessica" replies Kanon, looking at a clock on the wall.
I may be overthinking this, but it seems that there's an hour difference between when everyone died, and when we arrived. So, I'd like to suggest this, The screaming we heard was not the victims, but rather Eva regaining consciousness and seeing the scene! Because of this, the culprit had plenty of time to escape before the murders were discovered!
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 24, 2013 12:17:57 GMT 12
"The time of death was around 11:30, Miss Jessica. From the look of the knife in Miss Eva's hand and the wounds, they've been stabbed" Nanjo replies.
Sept 22, 2013 22:51:02 GMT -7 Ebilkitty said: "It's about half past midnight, Miss Jessica" replies Kanon, looking at a clock on the wall.
I may be overthinking this, but it seems that there's an hour difference between when everyone died, and when we arrived. So, I'd like to suggest this, The screaming we heard was not the victims, but rather Eva regaining consciousness and seeing the scene! Because of this, the culprit had plenty of time to escape before the murders were discovered! Not necessarily. An hour could have passed between the time of death and when Jessica asked for the time, meaning the investigation took an hour
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Post by Yarn Witch on Sept 24, 2013 12:41:52 GMT 12
But everyone had tea, didn't they? In that case, not only Eva, the victims would have passed out as well!
The victims were unconscious when they were killed! The killer had plenty of time to escape!
Actually, lets try this, Red Repeat: "The screaming that was heard was not the victims being killed!"
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 24, 2013 13:02:56 GMT 12
But everyone had tea, didn't they? In that case, not only Eva, the victims would have passed out as well!
The victims were unconscious when they were killed! The killer had plenty of time to escape!
Actually, lets try this, Red Repeat: "The screaming that was heard was not the victims being killed!" Kumasawa, Genji, and Shannon did not drink any tea. The only served it
I cannot repeat that statement
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Post by Yarn Witch on Sept 24, 2013 13:26:49 GMT 12
Alright, how about this. Red Repeat: The Culprit left Eva's room without being seen!
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 24, 2013 13:50:57 GMT 12
Alright, how about this. Red Repeat: The Culprit left Eva's room without being seen! Fine then. The culprit left Eva's room without being seen
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Post by animex75 on Sept 24, 2013 14:07:42 GMT 12
I propose that the murders took place earlier than we're led to believe, thus giving ample time for the culprit to leave the scene before the discovery of the bodies.
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