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Post by animex75 on Sept 27, 2013 10:04:36 GMT 12
As George is not the detective, any alibi involving him cannot be trusted.
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 27, 2013 12:59:18 GMT 12
Except it was Jessica that told Natsuhi and George to go together! Jessica provided that alibi!
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Post by Yarn Witch on Sept 27, 2013 13:27:35 GMT 12
But, after that point, George and Natsuhi were no longer under Jessica's supervision. They could have easily split up after that.
Alternatively, Natsuhi poisoned the milk at the same time she drugged the tea. As some people drink milk with their tea, she put a large dose in it to make up for it being diluted in tea, in case it was taken. Natsuhi is no doctor, so she wouldn't know what a makes a fatal dose.
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Post by animex75 on Sept 27, 2013 13:37:46 GMT 12
Except it was Jessica that told Natsuhi and George to go together! Jessica provided that alibi! But, after that point, George and Natsuhi were no longer under Jessica's supervision. They could have easily split up after that. Exactly. Jessica did not provide either of them with an alibi as they were out of her supervision. Natsuhi could easily have slipped out of George's view long enough to poison the remaining servants, and returned before he noticed her absence.
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 27, 2013 13:53:13 GMT 12
Okay then riddle me this: Natsuhi had ample time to kill George as well but he was alive when they caught up with Jessica, Eva, Krauss, and Battler. She also could have killed her own husband in case he was a witness to Kyrie and Rudolf's deaths. She also could have killed him when they went together to get her headache medicine. But she did not do so.
(As a side note, at the time of the second twilight, at least during the discovery of the bodies, I wasn't feeling like playing more than one character so that's why I left out Krauss)
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Post by animex75 on Sept 27, 2013 13:57:18 GMT 12
Okay then riddle me this: Natsuhi had ample time to kill George as well but he was alive when they caught up with Jessica, Eva, Krauss, and Battler. She also could have killed her own husband in case he was a witness to Kyrie and Rudolf's deaths. She also could have killed him when they went together to get her headache medicine. But she did not do so.(As a side note, at the time of the second twilight, at least during the discovery of the bodies, I wasn't feeling like playing more than one character so that's why I left out Krauss) Easy. If she killed George, she would destroy her alibi, as weak as it was due to the absence of the detective. She didn't kill Krauss because he did not witness the deaths of Kyrie and Rudolf; if he had witnessed it and did nothing to stop her - which would likely be the case with this hypothetical witness since nobody was willing to say they saw Natsuhi do it - then they would be considered an accomplice, but we already know that there are no accomplices.As you cannot state in red that Natsuhi is not the culprit, you cannot refute this possibility!
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 27, 2013 14:05:55 GMT 12
Okay let's say he witnessed the murder of Kyrie and Rudolf but got there too late to stop it. That wouldn't make him an accomplice, it would make him an unfortunate witness that would need to be eliminated.
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Post by animex75 on Sept 27, 2013 14:07:54 GMT 12
Okay let's say he witnessed the murder of Kyrie and Rudolf but got there too late to stop it. That wouldn't make him an accomplice, it would make him an unfortunate witness that would need to be eliminated. And perhaps she would have killed him, however we managed to spare any further victims by Jessica using her detective's accusation. Whether Krauss would have been murdered or not is irrelevant as it never had the chance to happen.
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 27, 2013 14:27:16 GMT 12
Let's remember that Eva's room key was never found! Neither was Kinzo's body. Jessica just assumed Natsuhi knew where it was because she found Kinzo's ring in Natsuhi's drawer. It could have easily been planted there by Krauss to frame Natsuhi. Sure, Natsuhi would have a motive to frame Eva but so would Krauss. He was angry at how badly Eva was treating Natsuhi and decided to get revenge.
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Post by animex75 on Sept 27, 2013 14:33:06 GMT 12
Let's remember that Eva's room key was never found! Neither was Kinzo's body. Jessica just assumed Natsuhi knew where it was because she found Kinzo's ring in Natsuhi's drawer. It could have easily been planted there by Krauss to frame Natsuhi. Sure, Natsuhi would have a motive to frame Eva but so would Krauss. He was angry at how badly Eva was treating Natsuhi and decided to get revenge. Why would Krauss frame his wife by planting the ring in her clothes drawer? Krauss would never frame his beloved wife! Krauss does not hate Eva like Natsuhi does, however, so there is no way he would resort to this sort of behavior.
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Post by Yarn Witch on Sept 27, 2013 14:37:27 GMT 12
Also, there's a lack of logic in that.
If Krauss was trying to frame Eva for revenge on how she treats Natsuhi, why would he then try and frame Natsuhi?
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Post by animex75 on Sept 27, 2013 14:39:09 GMT 12
Indeed, such a thing makes no sense! Krauss would never frame his wife of murder!
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 27, 2013 15:09:19 GMT 12
Evatrice sets down her staff and lowers her head. "You win." She mutters, quietly. The surviving residents of Rokkinjinma look up at her, confused. "What?" Battler asks.
Evatrice speaks up louder. "I concede defeat. I cannot go on any longer. As much as I hate to say this...you pathetic humans have defeated me."
((I hearby give Cloud Gold Authority. I've pretty much lost all motivation to continue the game, partly due to the mistakes I've made and partly due to just wanting it to be over))
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Post by Cloud on Sept 27, 2013 16:05:27 GMT 12
(Can someone gold this for me? I'm on iPod)
We can guarantee that Natsuhi Ushiromiya is the one true murderer of October 4 1986!
((Also Ebil you really were a great GM and I'm glad I was able to play your game!))
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 27, 2013 16:31:16 GMT 12
Game over!
I nominate Cloud, Nate, and Yarn for HoF. They worked the hardest at managing to corner me and use my mistakes to their advantage
I also nominate myself for HoF because of the summary of Game Board Phase 2
Also Lamdadelta incorrectly guessed the culprit was Natsuhi
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Post by animex75 on Sept 28, 2013 7:52:25 GMT 12
I would like to suggest "Where's my agent?!" for yours and "Attack her weak point for massive damage!" for ours.
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