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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 26, 2013 6:39:33 GMT 12
It might not have been Genji's key that was stolen
The victims' and Eva's body still would have needed to me moved. There were no stains on the carpet indicating that they had been moved from the bathroom to where they were found
Then what other knife could have been the murder weapon?Effective The victims don't need to be moved, Eva wasn't killed. They just need to have been killed in the bedroom. It may not have been Genji's key, perhaps it was ALL of the servant's keys. It's a devil's proof, there is no Decalogue in play here, just because I don't have any other knife as evidence it doesn't mean that any other knife doesn't exist.
Regardless, one thing I must explicitly state: The real owner of Kinzo's ring, drugged Eva with Natsuhi's medication through use of the meal being made by one of the servants, stole a key from one of the dead servants, stole a knife and used the knife to kill the first 6 victims, place the knife in Eva's hand whilst she was unconscious, take the key on Hideyoshi's person, leave and lock the room only to have the scene discovered by Kyrie whilst the killer placed the stolen key back onto the body of the servant they stole it from and disposing of the Room Key.
This same person took the absence of the room key as an excuse to separate the party. Eva had been placed under the use of laxatives, possibly formerly under Kinzo's possession in order to force her absence from Jessica's searching party. In that time, the killer followed and pushed victims Kyrie and Rudolf down the stairs of the Boiler Room. Eva was unable to commit these murders as she was preoccupied with her... situation in the bathroom. She had no way of knowing that Krauss and Natsuhi had separated from Kyrie and Rudolf.
This person... is the unofficial head of the Ushiromiya headship, the successor to Kinzo in terms of lineage due to being the eldest Ushiromiya sibling. One of the few people to be aware of Kinzo's death but simultaneously being one of only two possible suspects that could have committed the murders of Rudolf and Kyrie. The murderer... is the father of the detective; KRAUSS USHIROMIYA!
How do you account for the fact that the first six victims, excluding the servants, were also druggedIt was also Kyrie that suggested they split up and search for the missing room key.How was Eva given the laxatives?
And what about the boiler room door? If it was locked before Kyrie and Rudolf were murdered then how and when did the killer unlock it?
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 26, 2013 6:42:08 GMT 12
I propose that Natsuhi is the culprit. As she has no alibi for the second twilight and could very well have been the one to drug Eva on the first, she could have committed the second twilight and have made it seem that she and Krauss arrived after Eva had seemingly killed Rudolf and Kyrie. Natsuhi is also adamant at Eva's guilt, even more so than in any prior game. The murder weapon from the first twilight could have been a letter opener from Kinzo's study, and Krauss and Natsuhi are the only ones who Genji would let in besides the other servants. Natsuhi, after killing the victims with said letter opener, disposed of it and planted a knife on Eva that she covered in the blood of the victims.
Another thing that points to this is that neither Krauss nor Jessica has died, as Natsuhi wants to eliminate the rest of the family so they don't find out that Krauss embezzled Kinzo's estate in an obvious scam, while also making sure that Jessica becomes the next head. Well Natsuhi's more or less just getting her revenge on Eva for always accusing her...I meanAhem
I will not rebut
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Post by animex75 on Sept 26, 2013 6:42:34 GMT 12
Since Eva had not ate or drank anything since the discovery of the corpses in her room, there is no way she was drugged again. Perhaps she just needed to puke from seeing that horrible scene and the culprit took that opportunity to commit the second twilight.
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Post by animex75 on Sept 26, 2013 6:45:51 GMT 12
I propose that Natsuhi is the culprit. As she has no alibi for the second twilight and could very well have been the one to drug Eva on the first, she could have committed the second twilight and have made it seem that she and Krauss arrived after Eva had seemingly killed Rudolf and Kyrie. Natsuhi is also adamant at Eva's guilt, even more so than in any prior game. The murder weapon from the first twilight could have been a letter opener from Kinzo's study, and Krauss and Natsuhi are the only ones who Genji would let in besides the other servants. Natsuhi, after killing the victims with said letter opener, disposed of it and planted a knife on Eva that she covered in the blood of the victims.
Another thing that points to this is that neither Krauss nor Jessica has died, as Natsuhi wants to eliminate the rest of the family so they don't find out that Krauss embezzled Kinzo's estate in an obvious scam, while also making sure that Jessica becomes the next head. Well Natsuhi's more or less just getting her revenge on Eva for always accusing her...I meanAhem
I will not rebut. This is taking things a little far, don't you think? Natsuhi and Eva hate each other, so Natsuhi would have every reason to frame her sister-in-law for murder.
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Post by Yarn Witch on Sept 26, 2013 6:47:46 GMT 12
Simple!
"The drug was indeed in something she (Eva) drank" , and "Kumasawa, Genji, and Shannon did not drink any tea. The only served it"
The tea was obviously drugged!
As for Kyrie, I'll suggest, Kyrie suggested they split up in an attempt to lure out the killer!
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 26, 2013 7:01:32 GMT 12
Since Eva had not ate or drank anything since the discovery of the corpses in her room, there is no way she was drugged again. Perhaps she just needed to puke from seeing that horrible scene and the culprit took that opportunity to commit the second twilight. EffectiveWell Natsuhi's more or less just getting her revenge on Eva for always accusing her...I meanAhem
I will not rebut. This is taking things a little far, don't you think? Natsuhi and Eva hate each other, so Natsuhi would have every reason to frame her sister-in-law for murder. I will let this stand for now.Simple! " The drug was indeed in something she (Eva) drank" , and " Kumasawa, Genji, and Shannon did not drink any tea. The only served it" The tea was obviously drugged!As for Kyrie, I'll suggest, Kyrie suggested they split up in an attempt to lure out the killer! Are you talking about the drug that made Eva pass out? As I said before the first six victims excluding the servants drank the same tea Eva drank.Whatever Eva was drugged with to make her pass out, it was not placed in anything but the tea. As for the last statement: Effective
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Sept 26, 2013 7:11:24 GMT 12
There are multiple killers, this way multiple people can assist other killers without being classified as an accomplice. At least one killer has already been killed. Someone aside from Eva left Jessica's group, this gave them the chance to commit the murders. Kyrie and Rudolf were killed in an accident. Kyrie and Rudolf killed each other. The key to Eva's room is being held by one of the killers. One of the people in Jessica's search party is lying. Kanon and Jessica were not holding hands the entire time. The knife found in the kitchen was present in the kitchen until Kyrie arrived to talk to Gohda and Kanon. Kyrie was already aware of the servants' positions before the murders. No-one entered the kitchen before Gohda and Kanon. Kyrie entered the kitchen before the murders. The only servants on duty in the mansion were Gohda and Kanon, every other servant was in the Guest House. Rudolf did not see anyone enter or leave Eva's room until Kyrie entered the room. Kanon has Eva's room key. Gohda has Eva's room key. The key that the killer used to open Eva's room door was not Eva's room key. When Natsuhi and Krauss separated, one of them left to murder Rudolf and Kyrie. Either Rudolf or Kyrie had Eva's room key. The killer that killed Rudolf and Kyrie took Eva's room key off of them. The killer that killed Rudolf and Kyrie no longer has Eva's room key as of the end of the previous game board phase. There is only one killerThe killer is still aliveOnly Eva left Jessica's groupKyrie and Rudolf's deaths were no accidentEva's key is still missingJessica never let go of Kanon's hand during the searchThe killer used one of the master keys to open the door to Eva's room and was able to return it while no one was lookingThe killer was able to get away before Rudolf and Kyrie got to the door of Eva's roomI will not rebut the rest."M-Miss Jessica..." Kanon pulls his hand out of Jessica's grasp. "You shouldn't. I'm just furniture..." Kanon looks away from Jessica and follows Ghoda down the hall.
Back in the Parlor
"I went to find either Kanon or Ghoda to unlock the door. Rudolf stayed at Eva's door. Fortunately I found both Kanon and Ghoda in the kitchen." Kyrie responds. She pauses a moment. "When everyone gets back we should probably go look for Eva's key. If no one had it then the killer probably hid it somewhere." You might want to reconsider that red...
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 26, 2013 7:16:02 GMT 12
There is only one killerThe killer is still aliveOnly Eva left Jessica's groupKyrie and Rudolf's deaths were no accidentEva's key is still missingJessica never let go of Kanon's hand during the searchThe killer used one of the master keys to open the door to Eva's room and was able to return it while no one was lookingThe killer was able to get away before Rudolf and Kyrie got to the door of Eva's roomI will not rebut the rest. "M-Miss Jessica..." Kanon pulls his hand out of Jessica's grasp. "You shouldn't. I'm just furniture..." Kanon looks away from Jessica and follows Ghoda down the hall.
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"I went to find either Kanon or Ghoda to unlock the door. Rudolf stayed at Eva's door. Fortunately I found both Kanon and Ghoda in the kitchen." Kyrie responds. She pauses a moment. "When everyone gets back we should probably go look for Eva's key. If no one had it then the killer probably hid it somewhere." You might want to reconsider that red... "Ah of course! Kanon, Gohda and I will head out. Natsuhi and Krauss, if you leave please leave now and stay together." Jessica begins to make her way to the door before catching on to what Eva and Battler said. I turn my pockets out also. Before entering the kitchen I allow Natsuhi and Krauss out the door. I reset my piece of paper in the door crack after closing the door and head towards the kitchen, holding Kanon's hand of course. You were saying? Kanon Ghoda and Jessica went to the kitchen to see if there was a knife missing. Natsuhi went with Krauss to get some medicine for her headache. Everyone else stayed in the parlor.
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Sept 26, 2013 7:24:38 GMT 12
You might want to reconsider that red... "Ah of course! Kanon, Gohda and I will head out. Natsuhi and Krauss, if you leave please leave now and stay together." Jessica begins to make her way to the door before catching on to what Eva and Battler said. I turn my pockets out also. Before entering the kitchen I allow Natsuhi and Krauss out the door. I reset my piece of paper in the door crack after closing the door and head towards the kitchen, holding Kanon's hand of course. You were saying? Kanon Ghoda and Jessica went to the kitchen to see if there was a knife missing. Natsuhi went with Krauss to get some medicine for her headache. Everyone else stayed in the parlor.The times these happened just prove my point
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 26, 2013 7:33:25 GMT 12
You were saying? Kanon Ghoda and Jessica went to the kitchen to see if there was a knife missing. Natsuhi went with Krauss to get some medicine for her headache. Everyone else stayed in the parlor. The times these happened just prove my point The search for the key took place after Kanon, Ghoda, Jessica, Natsuhi, and Krauss returned to the parlor!But I'll rephrase my redDuring the search for the key neither Jessica nor Kanon let go of the other's hand
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 26, 2013 7:58:16 GMT 12
I retract my statement regarding Cloud's gold truth saying Kinzo is dead being effective on account that he did not have the authority to use gold!
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Post by animex75 on Sept 26, 2013 8:36:23 GMT 12
Eva cannot be the culprit as there is only one killer and Eva was not conscious when the first 6 murders were committed.
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Post by Epilos303 on Sept 26, 2013 8:39:31 GMT 12
For the first set of victims, is it possible that the Detective misidentified one of the corpses? Maybe one is a fake corpse. Or one is a replacement corpse.
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 26, 2013 8:50:14 GMT 12
Eva cannot be the culprit as there is only one killer and Eva was not conscious when the first 6 murders were committed. Sure, but you still need to find the true culpritFor the first set of victims, is it possible that the Detective misidentified one of the corpses? Maybe one is a fake corpse. Or one is a replacement corpse. None of the corpses are fake or replacements
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Post by Epilos303 on Sept 26, 2013 8:50:19 GMT 12
Let me swap sides for a moment. Isn't it possible for Eva to have committed the murders even while "Knocked-out." Higurashi had a similar drug, where the main character was drugged and knocked out, but he unconsciously killed the girls in his room. Even though she was unconscious, Eva went on to kill all of the first set of victims.
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 26, 2013 8:53:57 GMT 12
Let me swap sides for a moment. Isn't it possible for Eva to have committed the murders even while "Knocked-out." Higurashi had a similar drug, where the main character was drugged and knocked out, but he unconsciously killed the girls in his room. Even though she was unconscious, Eva went on to kill all of the first set of victims. I will not rebut
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Post by animex75 on Sept 26, 2013 8:55:48 GMT 12
Let me swap sides for a moment. Isn't it possible for Eva to have committed the murders even while "Knocked-out." Higurashi had a similar drug, where the main character was drugged and knocked out, but he unconsciously killed the girls in his room. Even though she was unconscious, Eva went on to kill all of the first set of victims. There was no such drug in Higurashi. Keiichi's paranoid mind turned a marker into that drug and Oyashiro-sama's curse caused him to kill Rena and Mion.
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 26, 2013 9:09:40 GMT 12
I cannot use that red, so...Meta Phase 2 End More theories were thrown around. The GM can't think of anything good for the meta phase summariesGameboard Phase 3 start
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Post by animex75 on Sept 26, 2013 9:23:32 GMT 12
Kanon heads towards the servant's area with Nanjo and Gohda. When he gets there, he checks to see what keys are left.
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 26, 2013 9:26:52 GMT 12
Kanon finds that there are no keys left as Jessica is in possession of all the servants' keys now that she'd asked everyone to hand them over to her.
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