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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 5:17:36 GMT 12
By the true end of the game, the accomplice was dead. The true end is not when Battler died. The accomplice was alive when Battler was killed.Effective, as Battler was knocked out before the culprit killed everyone else on the island. Effective.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 5:22:58 GMT 12
The accomplice is still alive. The accomplice died before the explosion occurred at midnight. Did I mention Rokkenjima exploded at midnight? ;v
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 5:23:49 GMT 12
Maria's body did not die. Maria died.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 5:27:50 GMT 12
What make yous so sure the first accomplice was amongst the first victims. what makes you so sure they weren't one of the last ones?
What makes you so sure that Rosa was killed? what makes you so sure her gun was used? where is your evidence? Pathetic! We don't bear the burden of proof in this game! No reds given makes these statements true until said otherwise! You don't have to be a dick about it, dick. I will answer all of your blues in time.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 5:28:53 GMT 12
Genji is the servant accomplice that allowed the killer and the victims entry into the study. Rosa was alive when Battler was killed but killed after Battler. Rosa is the second accomplice. Opening a door does not make you an accomplice. I'll let it stand.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 5:35:47 GMT 12
What make yous so sure the first accomplice was amongst the first victims. what makes you so sure they weren't one of the last ones?
What makes you so sure that Rosa was killed? what makes you so sure her gun was used? where is your evidence? Krauss was stabbed because the culprit did not have a gun The culprit shot Kumasawa through the window by sitting on the accomplice's shoulders. Becaues of our GM, the windows are too high to jump through, and The culprit was able to reach the window by other means.I kind of messed up when I said the culprit killed Krauss with a knife because they didn't have a gun. While its true the culprit didn't have a gun at the time, the real reason was to keep it stealthy. Effective, so very effective.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 5:40:51 GMT 12
I'm going to reuse my previous blues: The killer was not holding a gun at the time that Shannon was kicked out of the window by Eva.
However, one of the accomplices was holding a gun at this time.Effective
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 5:44:03 GMT 12
The commandments imply that the game must convey clues that point to the killer regardless of the meta! We are displayed the hints that point to Maria, Rosa and Shannon as being in cahoots through Will's interrogation of Maria. Rosa's lack of alibi especially concerning the contradictions between Maria's statements and Jessica's statements and the disappearance of Jessica, Maria and Rosa. And let's be honest here, the only way Shannon was shot from the window was because the killer wasn't at eye level and not easily noticed! No one else was in the room at the time the culprit shot Shannon and Shannon was more than a little winded after getting knocked out of the second story window so she couldn't have said anything even if she had seen the culprit, which she didn't, eye level is not at all relevant.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 5:45:21 GMT 12
Hm... Hints and such are allowed in Meta. However Truth as to the Status of a person without evidence is not aollwed in my standards. As for that blue what do you mean by Eye Level?I wholeheartedly agree that hints are allowed in the meta, but that's besides the point, the truth must be alluded to in the game board! The fact that the status of a person without evidence is a violation of Van Dine's Commandments however and this must be reported to Willard himself! Eye level is defined here by the average line of sight of most persons on Rokkenjima, with the exception of the person not generally seen at this height; Maria Ushiromiya killed Shannon. As we have not been informed of any other violation of the commandments - it can be said that Maria was the killer of all victims.
Hold on now, we wouldn't want this to end too early. What makes you so sure Jessica isn't the culprit?
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Post by Yarn Witch on Oct 13, 2013 6:33:24 GMT 12
Hmmm, Maria or Jessica, that's really the question.
We now know that Maria died, but timing is always the question. For all we know, that has to do with the true end of the game.
Jessica died before Maria!
I would argue that, since Rosa clearly has to be an accomplice, she wouldn't work with someone who killed her daughter, but I don't know how much character motivations play into this. Also, she could just be unaware that Maria was dead yet, and the accomplice dying before the explosion could be her discovering that and having a shoot off.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 8:49:09 GMT 12
Hmmm, Maria or Jessica, that's really the question. We now know that Maria died, but timing is always the question. For all we know, that has to do with the true end of the game. Jessica died before Maria!
I would argue that, since Rosa clearly has to be an accomplice, she wouldn't work with someone who killed her daughter, but I don't know how much character motivations play into this. Also, she could just be unaware that Maria was dead yet, and the accomplice dying before the explosion could be her discovering that and having a shoot off. Too easy, try again.
If Rosa were to have a split personality, she would not really care about Marias well being.
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Post by Yarn Witch on Oct 13, 2013 10:38:51 GMT 12
Maybe, but we don't know if Rosa has a split personality, and she hasn't displayed anything in-game that might hint at it. So, unless it's confirmed, I will assume that Rosa does not have a split personality.
I will also submit that Maria did not die until the true end of the game. She shot Rosa because she believed everyone would be revived in the Golden Land.
Rosa is the accomplice who solved the epitaph.
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Post by Cloud on Oct 13, 2013 10:58:05 GMT 12
The culprit died in the explosion. Maria died in the explosion. The explosion is the true end.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 12:20:34 GMT 12
Rosa is the accomplice who solved the epitaph.Effective
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 13:27:08 GMT 12
I think I'll start this off with my wall of blue regarding the methods here. First Twilight: The first 5 victims were lured to the study by either the murderer or an accomplice. The culprit shot each of the victims as the accomplice(s) prevented them from escaping. When that was all done, the accomplices moved the bodies to where they would be found while the culprit went to kill a 6th victim. Alternatively, one accomplice moved the bodies while the culprit went with the other accomplice to find another victim. They came across George, perhaps knowing where he would be because the accomplice that came with the culprit had been the one that wanted to meet George. The culprit kills George and they stash his body in the gold vault. How they knew where it was is simple: one of the accomplices solved the riddle, and it's likely that it is that accomplice who went with the culprit.
Shannon: This one's simple. Eva kicked Shannon out the window and dropped her gun. As the party was running to check on Shannon, the culprit picked up Eva's gun and shot Shannon from a window when the lightning struck and the family didn't hear the shot due to the loud thunder. The culprit then slipped into the group as Nanjo was checking Shannon and nobody noticed this late arrival except, of course, for the accomplices.
Gohda: One accomplice attacked Gohda, obviously, and after Shannon's death and Jessica running off, the culprit went after Gohda the first chance they got. Battler heard the shot, giving the culprit little time to hide. They hid nearby, perhaps even in the same room, and when Krauss stormed off from the group with Battler they left the hiding place.
Krauss: He went to the kitchen to continue searching for his daughter. When there, the culprit slipped in and stabbed him. They then ran into another hiding place until the party left the room. They used a knife because they already ditched Eva's gun for some reason.
Kumasawa: Obviously the culprit got another gun from somewhere else. Perhaps it was a gun belonging to an accomplice. The culprit shot Kumasawa through a window after having hid from the party after killing Krauss.
Nanjo: Need I explain? The culprit slipped back into the mansion after killing Kumasawa and hid in the parlour. When they spotted the party out in the rose garden, they fired and killed Nanjo.
Kanon: Same as Nanjo, only Kanon knew the culprit was around just not able to hide too well.
Eva: In the time it took her to get into the mansion, the culprit had slipped out of the parlour and hid nearby. As Eva was at the parlour door, the culprit took aim and killed her.
Battler: The culprit shot the accomplice and hid in the wardrobe (or whatever it was) and lured Battler over. When he opened it, bam.
When Battler was about to open the wardrobe, the sound of the gunshot came from behind him.
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Post by Yarn Witch on Oct 13, 2013 14:22:12 GMT 12
Battler: The culprit shot the accomplice and hid in the wardrobe (or whatever it was) and lured Battler over. When he opened it, bam.
When Battler was about to open the wardrobe, the sound of the gunshot came from behind him.But didn't you say The one who killed Battler was in the wardrobe.?
In that case, The wardrobe was trapped so whoever opened it would be shot by the gun.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 14:29:41 GMT 12
When Battler was about to open the wardrobe, the sound of the gunshot came from behind him.But didn't you say The one who killed Battler was in the wardrobe.?
In that case, The wardrobe was trapped so whoever opened it would be shot by the gun. I did say that, also there were no traps involved.
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Post by Yarn Witch on Oct 13, 2013 14:36:38 GMT 12
Fine then, how about this? The Gunshot that Battler heard is not the one that killed him.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 15:38:15 GMT 12
Fine then, how about this? The Gunshot that Battler heard is not the one that killed him.Effective.
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Post by Yarn Witch on Oct 13, 2013 15:40:57 GMT 12
So, there are plenty of guns lying around... While Battler was opening the wardrobe, the accomplice discharged a gun. This distracted Battler, allowing for the culprit, inside the wardrobe, to shoot him.
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