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Post by Yamon Venzli on Oct 12, 2013 16:50:42 GMT 12
Maria's body did not die. No red will be given Reason being is that it is the equivalent as saying that Maria is either innocent or guilty. All further blues which depict a similar effect or similar wording will be rejected immediately.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 12, 2013 16:55:23 GMT 12
By the true end of the game, the accomplice was dead. The true end is not when Battler died. The accomplice was alive when Battler was killed.Effective. Effective.
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Post by Cloud on Oct 12, 2013 17:02:01 GMT 12
Maria's body did not die. No red will be given Reason being is that it is the equivalent as saying that Maria is either innocent or guilty. All further blues which depict a similar effect or similar wording will be rejected immediately. Only there's the fact that A) The GM is not attempting to prove anyone innocent nor guilty therefore this statement doesn't violate anything and B) I am not stating that Maria is either an accomplice nor a killer. This statement still stands - Maria did not die.
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Post by Cloud on Oct 12, 2013 17:04:09 GMT 12
The first accomplice who died was not among the first six victims.
The culprit killed Rosa to take her gun.
What make yous so sure the first accomplice was amongst the first victims. what makes you so sure they weren't one of the last ones?
What makes you so sure that Rosa was killed? what makes you so sure her gun was used? where is your evidence?Pathetic! We don't bear the burden of proof in this game! No reds given makes these statements true until said otherwise!
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Post by Cloud on Oct 12, 2013 17:04:57 GMT 12
Genji is the servant accomplice that allowed the killer and the victims entry into the study. Rosa was alive when Battler was killed but killed after Battler. Rosa is the second accomplice.
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Oct 12, 2013 17:15:41 GMT 12
No red will be given Reason being is that it is the equivalent as saying that Maria is either innocent or guilty. All further blues which depict a similar effect or similar wording will be rejected immediately. Only there's the fact that A) The GM is not attempting to prove anyone innocent nor guilty therefore this statement doesn't violate anything and B) I am not stating that Maria is either an accomplice nor a killer. This statement still stands - Maria did not die.What make yous so sure the first accomplice was amongst the first victims. what makes you so sure they weren't one of the last ones?
What makes you so sure that Rosa was killed? what makes you so sure her gun was used? where is your evidence? Pathetic! We don't bear the burden of proof in this game! No reds given makes these statements true until said otherwise! Oh yea that's right I completely forgot that Willard H. Wright was apart of this game and that the GM stated that none of his rules contributed to this game board at the beginning of the game. How silly of me 5. The culprit must be determined by logical deductions. 8. The problem of the crime must he solved by strictly naturalistic means. In other words, yea you kind of do.
Ange can give you free-bees all she wants. Sadly though I am not Ange.
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Post by Yarn Witch on Oct 12, 2013 17:16:42 GMT 12
The first accomplice who died was not among the first six victims.
The culprit killed Rosa to take her gun.
What make yous so sure the first accomplice was amongst the first victims. what makes you so sure they weren't one of the last ones?
What makes you so sure that Rosa was killed? what makes you so sure her gun was used? where is your evidence?I actually said that the first accomplice was not amongst the first victims. My reasoning for this is that we know there are two accomplices, and during the meta phase before this, one was dead. In any case, since George was moved to the gold vault, and then retrieved, the accomplice who solved the epitaph had to be the one who did the moving, as The accomplice George was to meet did not solve the epitaph. If that is the case, then I can only assume that the accomplice who died was not among the first six victims.I can't be sure Rosa was killed. There are, admittedly, quite a number of guns left lying around that probably should have been picked up at one point or another.However, at the time of the last gameboard phase start, There were 6 people on Rokkenjima! These six were: Batter, Eva, Nanjo, Kanon, and then the Culprit and the living accomplice. The three missing characters are Rosa, Maria, and Jessica. One is dead. I submit that Krauss was stabbed because the culprit did not have a gun which negates Rosa as being the culprit, because as far as we're aware, Rosa has kept hold of her gun. Actually, allow me to abandon this, as I've just come to a different conclusion.The culprit shot Kumasawa through the window by sitting on the accomplice's shoulders. Becaues of our GM, the windows are too high to jump through, and The culprit was able to reach the window by other means.
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Oct 12, 2013 17:23:58 GMT 12
Genji is the servant accomplice that allowed the killer and the victims entry into the study. Rosa was alive when Battler was killed but killed after Battler. Rosa is the second accomplice. Blues are effective for the following reasons: The first blue spoke about the first twilight. theory is allowed of what may have happened before the discovery and that Genji has a key to the study. Rosa was not found anywhere by which the detective was unable to find her. She may be either alive or dead.
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Oct 12, 2013 17:32:01 GMT 12
What make yous so sure the first accomplice was amongst the first victims. what makes you so sure they weren't one of the last ones?
What makes you so sure that Rosa was killed? what makes you so sure her gun was used? where is your evidence? I actually said that the first accomplice was not amongst the first victims. My reasoning for this is that we know there are two accomplices, and during the meta phase before this, one was dead. In any case, since George was moved to the gold vault, and then retrieved, the accomplice who solved the epitaph had to be the one who did the moving, as The accomplice George was to meet did not solve the epitaph. If that is the case, then I can only assume that the accomplice who died was not among the first six victims.I can't be sure Rosa was killed. There are, admittedly, quite a number of guns left lying around that probably should have been picked up at one point or another.However, at the time of the last gameboard phase start, There were 6 people on Rokkenjima! These six were: Batter, Eva, Nanjo, Kanon, and then the Culprit and the living accomplice. The three missing characters are Rosa, Maria, and Jessica. One is dead. I submit that Krauss was stabbed because the culprit did not have a gun which negates Rosa as being the culprit, because as far as we're aware, Rosa has kept hold of her gun. Actually, allow me to abandon this, as I've just come to a different conclusion.The culprit shot Kumasawa through the window by sitting on the accomplice's shoulders. Becaues of our GM, the windows are too high to jump through, and The culprit was able to reach the window by other means....*gritting teeth* Effective... For this hard work i shall allow the accomplice who died was not among the first six victims.
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Post by Cloud on Oct 12, 2013 17:33:01 GMT 12
Only there's the fact that A) The GM is not attempting to prove anyone innocent nor guilty therefore this statement doesn't violate anything and B) I am not stating that Maria is either an accomplice nor a killer. This statement still stands - Maria did not die. Pathetic! We don't bear the burden of proof in this game! No reds given makes these statements true until said otherwise! Oh yea that's right I completely forgot that Willard H. Wright was apart of this game and that the GM stated that none of his rules contributed to this game board at the beginning of the game. How silly of me 5. The culprit must be determined by logical deductions. 8. The problem of the crime must he solved by strictly naturalistic means. In other words, yea you kind of do.
Ange can give you free-bees all she wants. Sadly though I am not Ange. My logical deduction is based on the statement I am making: Maria is alive!
If there is no opposition with the red, then I can take this statement as true.
At the time of Battler's death, that is, the point in time between the death of the victim before Battler and Battler himself, there were only three bodies functioning on the island of Rokkenjima - Maria, Battler and Rosa.
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Post by Ebilkitty on Oct 12, 2013 17:35:42 GMT 12
Only there's the fact that A) The GM is not attempting to prove anyone innocent nor guilty therefore this statement doesn't violate anything and B) I am not stating that Maria is either an accomplice nor a killer. This statement still stands - Maria did not die. Pathetic! We don't bear the burden of proof in this game! No reds given makes these statements true until said otherwise! Oh yea that's right I completely forgot that Willard H. Wright was apart of this game and that the GM stated that none of his rules contributed to this game board at the beginning of the game. How silly of me 5. The culprit must be determined by logical deductions. 8. The problem of the crime must he solved by strictly naturalistic means. In other words, yea you kind of do.
Ange can give you free-bees all she wants. Sadly though I am not Ange. Except the game doesn't have to revolve around Van Dine's commandments. Any violations are told directly to Will through PM
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Oct 12, 2013 17:38:45 GMT 12
Oh yea that's right I completely forgot that Willard H. Wright was apart of this game and that the GM stated that none of his rules contributed to this game board at the beginning of the game. How silly of me 5. The culprit must be determined by logical deductions. 8. The problem of the crime must he solved by strictly naturalistic means. In other words, yea you kind of do.
Ange can give you free-bees all she wants. Sadly though I am not Ange. My logical deduction is based on the statement I am making: Maria is alive!
If there is no opposition with the red, then I can take this statement as true.
At the time of Battler's death, that is, the point in time between the death of the victim before Battler and Battler himself, there were only three bodies functioning on the island of Rokkenjima - Maria, Battler and Rosa.Hm... Fine the assumption passes and i shall allow there were only three bodies functioning on the island of Rokkenjimaas for the names i shall allow that as theory For we still have Jessica who's status is unknown unless stated otherwise.
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Post by Cloud on Oct 12, 2013 17:40:05 GMT 12
The commandments imply that the game must convey clues that point to the killer regardless of the meta! We are displayed the hints that point to Maria, Rosa and Shannon as being in cahoots through Will's interrogation of Maria. Rosa's lack of alibi especially concerning the contradictions between Maria's statements and Jessica's statements and the disappearance of Jessica, Maria and Rosa.
And let's be honest here, the only way Shannon was shot from the window was because the killer wasn't at eye level and not easily noticed!
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Oct 12, 2013 17:40:08 GMT 12
Oh yea that's right I completely forgot that Willard H. Wright was apart of this game and that the GM stated that none of his rules contributed to this game board at the beginning of the game. How silly of me 5. The culprit must be determined by logical deductions. 8. The problem of the crime must he solved by strictly naturalistic means. In other words, yea you kind of do.
Ange can give you free-bees all she wants. Sadly though I am not Ange. Except the game doesn't have to revolve around Van Dine's commandments. Any violations are told directly to Will through PM Unless those Violations are made public they will go by Vane Dine and shall be considered truth.
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Post by Cloud on Oct 12, 2013 17:42:14 GMT 12
I'm going to reuse my previous blues: The killer was not holding a gun at the time that Shannon was kicked out of the window by Eva.
However, one of the accomplices was holding a gun at this time.
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Oct 12, 2013 17:44:13 GMT 12
The commandments imply that the game must convey clues that point to the killer regardless of the meta! We are displayed the hints that point to Maria, Rosa and Shannon as being in cahoots through Will's interrogation of Maria. Rosa's lack of alibi especially concerning the contradictions between Maria's statements and Jessica's statements and the disappearance of Jessica, Maria and Rosa. And let's be honest here, the only way Shannon was shot from the window was because the killer wasn't at eye level and not easily noticed!Hm... Hints and such are allowed in Meta. However Truth as to the Status of a person without evidence is not aollwed in my standards. As for that blue what do you mean by Eye Level?
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Post by Cloud on Oct 12, 2013 17:48:07 GMT 12
The commandments imply that the game must convey clues that point to the killer regardless of the meta! We are displayed the hints that point to Maria, Rosa and Shannon as being in cahoots through Will's interrogation of Maria. Rosa's lack of alibi especially concerning the contradictions between Maria's statements and Jessica's statements and the disappearance of Jessica, Maria and Rosa. And let's be honest here, the only way Shannon was shot from the window was because the killer wasn't at eye level and not easily noticed!Hm... Hints and such are allowed in Meta. However Truth as to the Status of a person without evidence is not aollwed in my standards. As for that blue what do you mean by Eye Level?I wholeheartedly agree that hints are allowed in the meta, but that's besides the point, the truth must be alluded to in the game board! The fact that the status of a person without evidence is a violation of Van Dine's Commandments however and this must be reported to Willard himself! Eye level is defined here by the average line of sight of most persons on Rokkenjima, with the exception of the person not generally seen at this height; Maria Ushiromiya killed Shannon. As we have not been informed of any other violation of the commandments - it can be said that Maria was the killer of all victims.
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Post by Ebilkitty on Oct 12, 2013 17:55:48 GMT 12
Since the person who plays Willard is currently offline he can't make them public. But as Willard is not Dlanor the violations aren't made public by the GM, at least that's how I understand it. And I'll give you this little tidbit from the previous meta I can guarantee that there is only one culprit, and that the culprit is either Rosa, Maria, or Jessica!I have yet to be notified of any violations of Van Dine's Commandments. As Van Dine's 11th has not been broken, the culprit is not a servant. As Van Dine's 12th has not been broken, there is only one culprit. As Van Dine's 18th has not been broken, the culprit is alive and well and still murdering victims! One can assume from this that since Ani has yet to be notified that there hasn't been any violations. And if there were any at all he was never notified of them.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 5:13:17 GMT 12
Genji is the servant accomplice that allowed the killer and the victims entry into the study. Rosa was alive when Battler was killed but killed after Battler. Rosa is the second accomplice. Genji is not the servant accomplice.Effective.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Oct 13, 2013 5:16:27 GMT 12
The first accomplice who died was not among the first six victims.
The culprit killed Rosa to take her gun.
EFFECTIVE. The culprit did not kill Rosa for her gun.
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