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Post by Cloud on Sept 8, 2013 13:26:11 GMT 12
The title is self-explanatory, go ahead and talk about the whole shabang however this is the non-spoiler section so please keep discussion about Episode 5-8 out of here.
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Post by animex75 on Sept 17, 2013 8:54:48 GMT 12
What does everyone think about the whole Yasu thing? I don't much believe in it as of yet since I haven't seen what, to me, amounts to proof.
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Post by Cloud on Sept 19, 2013 19:09:18 GMT 12
*ahem* Please refer to "Yasu" as ShKanon.
As for myself, everyone quite clearly knows my stance on this. Regardless of whether or not Shannon and Kanon are the same person, the plausibility of them committing the murders is very existent. Additionally there is the idea that Beatrice doesn't equal the murderer, that's exactly what Episode 3 was essentially about. Beatrice represents a pivotal character that the story revolves around and the story character arcs about Shannon, Kanon and their relationships with Jessica and George is clearly an important part of the story.
The proof is their lack of appearance in front of the detective and the very fact that it's possible that games 1-4 can be committed by them. Game 3 can be interpreted as half ShKanon/Shannon and Kanon and half Eva but even then, the point still stands that there is a lot of proof pointing to them.
The destruction of the Shinto shrine is linked directly to Shannon, this marked the return of Beatrice's power but from a literal perspective this is the possible allusion to the factor that kills Battler in Game 4. The conversations between Shannon, Kanon and Beatrice aren't so much literal conversations amongst them but internal delegations over their body's conflicting emotions.
Alternatively, there is the fact that Shannon "has a body that can not love" and "without love, it can not be seen." This almost directly implies that Shannon and Kanon have separate bodies but are soul-bound, so to speak. Incomplete souls that fulfil each other's intentions. Or to a more tragic extent, that Shannon does not exist or perhaps their body isn't considered a body until someone takes into account the theme of love within the story.
There are a lot of interpretations on the matter and I think that's one of the beautiful aspects of Umineko. People call it poor writing but I really fail to see how that's at all poorly handled. The main point of the story is the idea of interpretation and it definitely stresses that.
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Post by animex75 on Sept 20, 2013 5:04:01 GMT 12
Oh what harm could it be? Anybody here that's played the game (or at least read the rules) has already seen the name before.
I agree on it being good writing, though, because the fact there's more than one possibility is another theme on the meta level, as both the magic theory and the human theory can be possible, it's only a matter of whose case is best. It's good writing when you can incorporate your themes into the story and characters.
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Post by Cloud on Sept 21, 2013 18:35:14 GMT 12
A lot of the things that make people call ShKanon bad writing is simply the assumptions made as to how it's possible. Obviously Ryukishi07 has mentioned a fair amount as to how things have worked but if it's possible to claim he's lying then it's possible he's hiding a more detailed answer to ShKanon.
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Post by animex75 on Sept 22, 2013 11:48:38 GMT 12
Indeed. Ryukishi's trolling puts me to shame, so it could also be that he is just messing with us by making both possible. Shrödinger's Cat indeed.
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