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Post by animex75 on Nov 12, 2013 17:55:13 GMT 12
The men weren't dead when they were found, rather they were killed after the remaining family members went to try and enter the guest house. The one who killed Jessica and George was Rosa. The one who "drugged" Maria and the others with alcohol-spiked tea was Rosa. The men were killed before anyone tried to enter the VIP Room. The one who killed the men killed Jessica and George and "drugged" Maria. Then it was Rosa. Maria is alive because Rosa would never kill her child, but holds no such sentiment for someone else's child. Rosa was the one who attacked Eva and the one who Eva killed in self defense. Rosa was able to slip away from the group of Eva, Battler, and Kyrie and commit the murders of the husbands, who she holds no attachment to as she is not married and Maria's father is not on the island.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Nov 12, 2013 17:55:35 GMT 12
The name stealer killed Natsuhi.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 12, 2013 17:56:32 GMT 12
The men were killed before anyone tried to enter the VIP Room. The one who killed the men killed Jessica and George and "drugged" Maria. Then it was Rosa. Maria is alive because Rosa would never kill her child, but holds no such sentiment for someone else's child. Rosa was the one who attacked Eva and the one who Eva killed in self defense. Rosa was able to slip away from the group of Eva, Battler, and Kyrie and commit the murders of the husbands, who she holds no attachment to as she is not married and Maria's father is not on the island. Rosa left the study at the same time as everyone else.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 12, 2013 17:58:17 GMT 12
The name stealer killed Natsuhi. The one now known as Natsuhi did not kill the one FORMERLY known as Natsuhi.
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Post by animex75 on Nov 12, 2013 18:00:18 GMT 12
Then it was Rosa. Maria is alive because Rosa would never kill her child, but holds no such sentiment for someone else's child. Rosa was the one who attacked Eva and the one who Eva killed in self defense. Rosa was able to slip away from the group of Eva, Battler, and Kyrie and commit the murders of the husbands, who she holds no attachment to as she is not married and Maria's father is not on the island. Rosa left the study at the same time as everyone else. Your red does not contradict my statement as I am saying she left the group AFTER her an the other three found "Shannon", or perhaps beforehand while Kyrie and Battler were trying to find Eva.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 12, 2013 18:02:23 GMT 12
Rosa left the study at the same time as everyone else. Your red does not contradict my statement as I am saying she left the group AFTER her an the other three found "Shannon", or perhaps beforehand while Kyrie and Battler were trying to find Eva.Then explain how no-one heard any gunshots.
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Post by Epilos303 on Nov 12, 2013 18:58:07 GMT 12
Eva is the red Beatrice.
She killed the men in the VIP Room. Then she pretended to find the vip room.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 12, 2013 19:00:20 GMT 12
Eva is the red Beatrice.
She killed the men in the VIP Room. Then she pretended to find the vip room. Eva did not "pretend" to find anything.
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Post by Epilos303 on Nov 12, 2013 19:01:18 GMT 12
Ok then.
The whole scene about finding the VIP room is shady to begin with.
You're right, she didn't pretend to find it. That scene never actually happened.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 12, 2013 19:02:41 GMT 12
Ok then. The whole scene about finding the VIP room is shady to begin with. You're right, she didn't pretend to find it. That scene never actually happened.Then what do you think happened instead?
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Post by Epilos303 on Nov 12, 2013 19:06:19 GMT 12
Anything could have happened right.
Kanon never saw anyone look into the VIP room. He met up with everyone afterwards.
Lets say Kyrie and Battler found the bodies and later told everyone.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 12, 2013 19:18:54 GMT 12
Anything could have happened right. Kanon never saw anyone look into the VIP room. He met up with everyone afterwards. Lets say Kyrie and Battler found the bodies and later told everyone. Kyrie and Battler were not the first to discover the bodies.
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Post by Epilos303 on Nov 12, 2013 19:24:11 GMT 12
Maybe it was a servant.
Maybe it was Rosa.
"First to discover the bodies" is a peculiar statement that might even include the murderer.
My Eva is the murderer theory so far seems to rely on me finding the specifics of what happened without anything to go off of.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 12, 2013 19:33:24 GMT 12
Maybe it was a servant. Maybe it was Rosa.
"First to discover the bodies" is a peculiar statement that might even include the murderer.My Eva is the murderer theory so far seems to rely on me finding the specifics of what happened without anything to go off of. I'll accept this. However: The only opportunity for anyone within the group of Kyrie, Eva, Rosa and Battler is when everyone was outside the study. But if anyone fired a gun inside with everyone in the mansion, everyone would have heard.
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Post by Epilos303 on Nov 12, 2013 19:38:40 GMT 12
Can you repeat in red that the men were killed by a gunshot?
If there was never a gunshot, then we wouldn't have to worry about the detective hearing it.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 12, 2013 19:40:21 GMT 12
Can you repeat in red that the men were killed by a gunshot? If there was never a gunshot, then we wouldn't have to worry about the detective hearing it.Whilst you've already gotten me to repeat something in red, I will gladly say the statement anyway: The men were killed through a gunshot.
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Post by Epilos303 on Nov 12, 2013 19:44:52 GMT 12
Can you state in red that the Study is the only soundproof room?
Maybe the VIP room or the room the detective was in during the shooting was soundproof.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 12, 2013 19:48:27 GMT 12
Can you state in red that the Study is the only soundproof room? Maybe the VIP room or the room the detective was in during the shooting was soundproof. The study is the only soundproofed room inside the mansion.
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Post by Epilos303 on Nov 12, 2013 19:54:26 GMT 12
The narrative could be lying about how the husbands died!
Maybe, before they left the study, the husbands were killed by gunshot. Then Eva moved the bodies to the VIP room afterwards!
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Post by Cloud on Nov 12, 2013 19:58:38 GMT 12
The narrative could be lying about how the husbands died! Maybe, before they left the study, the husbands were killed by gunshot. Then Eva moved the bodies to the VIP room afterwards! The men were killed in the VIP Room.
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