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Post by Segaco on Sept 14, 2017 10:32:28 GMT 12
Couldn't I have moved during that time?
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Post by Yarn Witch on Sept 14, 2017 10:32:28 GMT 12
Acutally, I'll need to fix a mistype in that red, then. The Adults and their spouses were all in the Parlor, which is where Kumasawa went.
Nanjo was alone in the Dining Hall
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Post by animex75 on Sept 14, 2017 10:34:57 GMT 12
Ah, that's me misremembering.
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Post by Segaco on Sept 14, 2017 10:35:42 GMT 12
Genji locked the door. When the family arrived to the door, it was unlocked. Genji put the key on the lock, locked it, unlocked it and then opened it.
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Post by Yarn Witch on Sept 14, 2017 10:38:30 GMT 12
Genji locked the door. When the family arrived to the door, it was unlocked. Genji put the key on the lock, locked it, unlocked it and then opened it. Genji never locked the door
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Post by Segaco on Sept 14, 2017 10:43:48 GMT 12
I am the culprit, Shannon is my accomplice. I went upstairs with Shannon and killed the cousins, then left and had Shannon lock the door. After that, I made Shannon go back to the kitchen and quickly ran back to the dining hall.
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Post by Yarn Witch on Sept 14, 2017 11:04:53 GMT 12
I am the culprit, Shannon is my accomplice. I went upstairs with Shannon and killed the cousins, then left and had Shannon lock the door. After that, I made Shannon go back to the kitchen and quickly ran back to the dining hall. If Nanjo had killed the cousins, Kumasawa certainly would have seen him do it!
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Post by Segaco on Sept 14, 2017 11:16:25 GMT 12
I'm actually not sure how the epitaph title thing transfer thing works I solved the epitaph, got the title of "Kinzo" and then went upstairs with Shannon to do my thing. Kumasawa then saw her "master" with the soon to be dead children. That master would be me, since I solved the riddle. This is how that works right?
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Post by Yarn Witch on Sept 14, 2017 11:20:44 GMT 12
I'm actually not sure how the epitaph title thing transfer thing works I solved the epitaph, got the title of "Kinzo" and then went upstairs with Shannon to do my thing.Kumasawa then saw her "master" with the soon to be dead children.That master would be me, since I solved the riddle.This is how that works right? That's about the gist of it. Still, the adults didn't pass anyone when they came up the stairs and Nanjo was at the back of the group.
Also, Shannon never locked the waiting room door.
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Post by animex75 on Sept 14, 2017 11:25:59 GMT 12
Of course we didn't pass anyone. The culprit had already come back to the parlor before Kumasawa did. - She wasn't even present for the murders! - She is an accomplice and was ordered to wait some time before coming back downstairs. - We have a half-hour window to work with here, so there was plenty of time for the killer to come back to the group. - The culprit took the murder weapon to the kitchen to be disposed of via cleaning.
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Post by Yarn Witch on Sept 14, 2017 13:52:41 GMT 12
Of course we didn't pass anyone. The culprit had already come back to the parlor before Kumasawa did. - She wasn't even present for the murders! - She is an accomplice and was ordered to wait some time before coming back downstairs. - We have a half-hour window to work with here, so there was plenty of time for the killer to come back to the group. - The culprit took the murder weapon to the kitchen to be disposed of via cleaning. Kumasawa was present at the time of the murders.
Kumasawa was not ordered by anyone, culprit or accomplice to wait before going for help.
Kumasawa also did not choose to wait before going for help.
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Post by Tea the witch of dreams on Sept 14, 2017 15:42:40 GMT 12
- The master of the house is not Kinzo therefore the account taken by Kumasawa is accurate without saying that it was not kinzo - Shannon is the master of the house. or - Genji is the master of the house.
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Post by Tea the witch of dreams on Sept 14, 2017 15:46:12 GMT 12
Van dines 16th was broken and that makes me really go back to analyze the flowery intro parts between Genji and kinzo speak.
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Post by Tea the witch of dreams on Sept 14, 2017 15:57:28 GMT 12
So upon rereading the reds and the account Kumasawa gave states that she DID NOT see the actual throat slitting. However you state in red she was actually present when it happened. This leads me to believe that - Shannon was in the kitchen cleaning the knife she used to slit the kids throats. - The poison/ sedative actually killed the kids which is the only way your prior red truth could be accurate.
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Post by Yarn Witch on Sept 14, 2017 16:38:32 GMT 12
Yeah... I mean, for me it was important for the narrative and the opener, but there were some of those same chunks I just didn't know if I could really justify for the mystery.
Shannon is not the Master of the House.
Genji is not the Master of the House.
The cause of death was certainly from the throats being cut.
Despite the apparent contadiction, Kumasawa's testimony was truthful and accurate.
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Post by Zeus wiz of misfortune on Sept 14, 2017 17:04:49 GMT 12
- The true culprit is someone who was born with the last name is Ushiromiya.
- Nate is really good with this.
- Eva and the true culprit are not the only ones to have solved the epitaph. (yet)
"but the Master had a knife so they had to have done it, right?"
but that's not necessarily the case if...
- The Master of the household is not the true culprit!
- The Master of the household is only an accomplice.
- There was 7 people in the waiting room when the murder occurred, Kumasawa, Maria, George, Jessica, battler, the master and the true culprit.
(P.s. Tea there was a Reds stating that they died from their throats being slit.)
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Post by Yarn Witch on Sept 14, 2017 17:08:39 GMT 12
- The true culprit is someone who was born with the last name is Ushiromiya.- Nate is really good with this.- Eva and the true culprit are not the only ones to have solved the epitaph. (yet)"but the Master had a knife so they had to have done it, right?" but that's not necessarily the case if... - The Master of the household is not the true culprit!- The Master of the household is only an accomplice.- There was 7 people in the waiting room when the murder occurred, Kumasawa, Maria, George, Jessica, battler, the master and the true culprit.(P.s. Tea there was a Reds stating that they died from their throats being slit.) Nate is very good at this, yes.Everything else I'll let stand as is for now.
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Post by Zeus wiz of misfortune on Sept 14, 2017 20:00:45 GMT 12
I would like to present two lines of red text.
"The disappointments who wished to circumvent my chosen will by having me killed are my children, Krauss, Eva, Rudolf, and Rosa, their spouses, Natsuhi, Hideyoshi, and Kyrie, and that chef, Gohda. None of these people spoke of this plan to anyone else."
"Until Eva brought it up in game, no one spoke of the murder plan to someone who wasn't involved."
earlier in the narrative we are led to believe that Maria is aware of the murderous intentions at hand but how can this be so if the latter of the two reds are true? well it simple in the former line of red where we are given a list of conspirators, do you see it now? it says "are my children" and it is not referring to Krauss and Eva as it would have you believe, no...
- It is referring to Maria.
- Because Rosa is the Master of the House!
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Post by Zeus wiz of misfortune on Sept 14, 2017 20:01:55 GMT 12
Or and again I would like to present a lines of red text.
"Until Eva brought it up in game, no one spoke of the murder plan to someone who wasn't involved."
Now this might seem like it contradicts the idea that Maria overheard her mother talking about the plot to kill Kinzo but the key word here is overheard the red clearly says "no one spoke of the murder plan to someone who wasn't involved." therefore...
-Maria did overheard the plans the plot to kill Kinzo.
-But she did not speak to Genji about it.
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Post by Yarn Witch on Sept 14, 2017 20:10:06 GMT 12
Well, you are certainly right about one thing. Maria did not talk to Genji about the murder plot.
However, when I listed the conspirators who sought my life, "my children" did not refer to Maria.
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