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Post by animex75 on Feb 1, 2014 3:16:18 GMT 12
Discuss changes here. So far, we have:
1. Specify which Phase the Butcher kills in.
2. Change the Witness to observing any targeting during the Night Phase. It was brought to my attention that only one other role specifically says that they kill during the Night Phase (and I'm somewhat unclear on the Butcher role).
3. Change the Execution to being mandatory so the game doesn't drag along and the preceding Day Phase doesn't get rendered pointless.
4. Specify whether the Lawyer and Prosecutor have to state their intentions in the thread.
5. Clear up the Investigator's power. 6. Give the Judge (and other roles) an incentive to possibly go against the Mobster's wishes.
7. Possibly make the Prosecutor and Lawyer public roles.
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Post by RanFan on Feb 1, 2014 14:19:41 GMT 12
Mmk, so the main question I have is whether there should be any particular roles that can be immune to the judge's indictment/town vote? Like, should the Judge be able to indict himself? This kinda ties in to the Mobster's effect on the Judge as well. Should there be any roles to make immune or would this throw off balance between the roles?
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Post by animex75 on Feb 1, 2014 14:22:29 GMT 12
It's an interesting idea, though the Governor sorta does that by protecting people from execution. What's everyone else think?
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Feb 1, 2014 15:11:36 GMT 12
Butcher - I believe The Butcher should be allowed to kill whenever he wants day or night as long as it upholds to the rules. all The Butcher has to do is specify when to kill: The Day Phase or The Night Phase
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Feb 1, 2014 15:18:56 GMT 12
Witness - I believe that The Witness should be allowed to observe any event during a murder a witness doesn't go around stalking people and wait for a murder to happen (that's just creepy), they observe events because they just so happen to be there to see it. of course I believe The Witness should be like The Butcher, in regards to choosing when to look outside their window: The Day Phase or The Night Phase
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Feb 1, 2014 15:31:48 GMT 12
Executioner - There must be executions in the game How can The Executioner call himself an Executioner if he doesn't Execute?
(Why is his even an option to consider anyway?)
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Feb 1, 2014 15:45:09 GMT 12
Lawyer and Prosecutor - Personally I believe it is best for The Lawyer and Prosecutor to not only post their intentions on the thread but also be public roles. they are a very vital form of the game being able to influence the major votes.
I also believe these two should be added to The Mobsters influence along with The Executioner with the limit of the mobster only being able to influence one person every 2 trials. so instead of "and" make it "or"
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Feb 1, 2014 16:13:17 GMT 12
Investigator - I believe that the Investigator not only should be allowed to keep his abilities but should be boosted as well [EX: we all know based on the rules that half the town is innocent and half the town is guilty If there are 20 players and the investigator gets 1/3 of the population on that list (6) they would still be half/half from both sides, only that the investigator dill not know which is which, so he is basically back to square one.]
I believe that the investigator in this case should be allowed to know which is the Guilty party and which is the Innocent party on this list he is given this would give him a better boost with this advantage given to him.
If not then a suggestion on who The Butcher and/or Assassin among these 6 people would be more appropriate
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Post by animex75 on Feb 2, 2014 6:34:38 GMT 12
Butcher - I believe The Butcher should be allowed to kill whenever he wants day or night as long as it upholds to the rules. all The Butcher has to do is specify when to kill: The Day Phase or The Night Phase It's an interesting look on things. What does everyone else think?Witness - I believe that The Witness should be allowed to observe any event during a murder a witness doesn't go around stalking people and wait for a murder to happen (that's just creepy), they observe events because they just so happen to be there to see it. of course I believe The Witness should be like The Butcher, in regards to choosing when to look outside their window: The Day Phase or The Night Phase I think my reasoning behind the Witness being a Night Phase power was that I was expecting people to use their abilities more at night. As for witnessing any action, I was already implementing that because as it stands, the Witness is about useless unless the Assassin or Butcher kills that night (not to mention, what if they're not in play?).Executioner - There must be executions in the game How can The Executioner call himself an Executioner if he doesn't Execute? (Why is his even an option to consider anyway?) Exactly! My poor wording makes it look like they have a choice in the matter of using their role that night, but I never intended them to.Lawyer and Prosecutor - Personally I believe it is best for The Lawyer and Prosecutor to not only post their intentions on the thread but also be public roles. they are a very vital form of the game being able to influence the major votes. I also believe these two should be added to The Mobsters influence along with The Executioner with the limit of the mobster only being able to influence one person every 2 trials. so instead of "and" make it "or" This is an interesting note. What's everyone else think about this?Investigator - I believe that the Investigator not only should be allowed to keep his abilities but should be boosted as well [EX: we all know based on the rules that half the town is innocent and half the town is guilty If there are 20 players and the investigator gets 1/3 of the population on that list (6) they would still be half/half from both sides, only that the investigator dill not know which is which, so he is basically back to square one.] I believe that the investigator in this case should be allowed to know which is the Guilty party and which is the Innocent party on this list he is given this would give him a better boost with this advantage given to him. If not then a suggestion on who The Butcher and/or Assassin among these 6 people would be more appropriate What do you mean "should be allowed to keep his abilities"? It's a one-time-use role because it gets the largest bulk of information in that one use. Not to mention that it's a role that's best-used early in the game since you'd get more information that way.
So you're saying that, in addition to gaining the roles (which I'm thinking about doing with it), that they should learn their alignments too? Isn't that a little much?
And there's one more thing that still isn't being brought up here! There needs to be an incentive to go against the Mobster's bribe! As it is, there is no reason at all for the Judge to get himself killed and there's an equal lack of a reason to go against the Mobster's vote "recommendation". We need to have a reason why you would risk yourself in this manner while not making the Mobster useless in the process!
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Feb 2, 2014 14:33:36 GMT 12
Le Role Idea:
Blackmailer: 1. Once per turn, the Blackmailer can guess a specific players hidden role. 2. If they are correct, the gain one usage of that role during the turn of their choosing. 3. The blackmailed player cannot use his role during the turn the Blackmailer uses it. 4. The Blackmailer must use the role they guessed before blackmailing someone else. 5. If they guess wrong, the person they try to blackmail will learn their alignment. If they guess wrong a second time, the person they try to blackmail will learn the Blackmailers identity. If they guess wrong a third time, the Blackmailer will die.
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Post by Cloud on Feb 2, 2014 15:14:35 GMT 12
1. Night. 2. Yes. 3. Yes. 4. No.
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Post by animex75 on Feb 3, 2014 16:07:57 GMT 12
Well, that's one vote for the Butcher to be a Night Phase kill and one for choosing between the phases. There's one for the Lawyer and Prosecutor to have to state publicly when they defend someone (and the roles be public), and one for them remaining secret and posting through PM.
Anything else?
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Post by animex75 on Feb 8, 2014 15:45:35 GMT 12
Alright, I'm closing the poll now. I messed up the number of votes, so I'm redoing the final point. However, we do have two clear victories here.
1) The Butcher will, from now on, choose what phase to kill in. 2) The Prosecutor and Lawyer will be required to post their intentions publicly.
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Mar 2, 2014 12:45:43 GMT 12
Motives against the Mafia: An idea I came up with was instead of having the person ultimately die via the Mafia when going against them, was instead to have a gamble at getting away with it. I thought maybe the gamble would be set at percentages.
(IE: If one chooses to go against the mafia they have a 60% chance of being killed by them. However they have a 40% chance of..... something positive happening ) I thought this would be better rather than being killed in the end which no one wants.
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Post by animex75 on Mar 2, 2014 14:05:07 GMT 12
Thoughts, anyone?
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