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Post by Epilos303 on Nov 8, 2013 17:58:33 GMT 12
Repeat this in red: "George, Jessica, Maria, and Natsuhi were the only ones not seen in the group during the initial investigation of the first twilight!"
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Post by Cloud on Nov 8, 2013 17:58:47 GMT 12
Then the body of "Shannon" was really Kinzo. You stated yourself that Kinzo was found, and yet we have not been told as such until after "Shannon" was found. The detective never laid eyes on the keys in the shed. The murder of Kyrie was faked as there was no sound of a gunshot and no other weapon could cause the blood stains we saw. The dead body identified as Shannon was not Kinzo. The detective certainly did lay eyes on the keys in the shed. Kyrie's death was not faked.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 8, 2013 18:00:22 GMT 12
I will not rebut any bit of this. Other than the fact that The killer has not once been in disguise, I will not rebut anything else. As of the end of Turn Three GB, there are 8 people on the island of Rokkenjima.On what grounds do you claim that Battler is the detective, hm? We are given 3 people we assumed to be the detective you did not rebut this blue. Kyrie is dead! Eva saw Meta Natsuhi! Hemples Raven! With this i am more than certain that Battler is the Detective! You have far more than three possible people to suspect to be the detective.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 8, 2013 18:00:54 GMT 12
Repeat this in red: "George, Jessica, Maria, and Natsuhi were the only ones not seen in the group during the initial investigation of the first twilight!" Define "the group."
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Post by animex75 on Nov 8, 2013 18:02:08 GMT 12
The body of "Shannon" was one of the servants in disguise. The detective is standing in the same room as Eva. Kyrie's murder scene was staged to make it look like it was more violent than it was. In reality, she was killed by a stab wound. The furniture servants are not really dead yet. As the detective hasn't seen them, their deaths are not guaranteed!
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Post by Epilos303 on Nov 8, 2013 18:03:02 GMT 12
When the room was found and possible murder victims observed, a large number of people met up in front of the chained door together. That would be the group.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 8, 2013 18:07:12 GMT 12
The body of "Shannon" was one of the servants in disguise. The detective is standing in the same room as Eva. Kyrie's murder scene was staged to make it look like it was more violent than it was. In reality, she was killed by a stab wound. The furniture servants are not really dead yet. As the detective hasn't seen them, their deaths are not guaranteed! The body identified as the corpse of Shannon was not one of the servants in disguise. Kyrie's cause of death was not killed by a stab wound. The servants, with the exception of Kanon, are all dead.When the room was found and possible murder victims observed, a large number of people met up in front of the chained door together. That would be the group. In that case, I certainly can not repeat that statement.
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Post by animex75 on Nov 8, 2013 18:10:07 GMT 12
Van Dine's 20thAnd (to give my Credo an even score of items) I herewith list a few of the devices which no self-respecting detective story writer will now avail himself of. They have been employed too often, and are familiar to all true lovers of literary crime. To use them is a confession of the author's ineptitude and lack of originality. (a) Determining the identity of the culprit by comparing the butt of a cigarette left at the scene of the crime with the brand smoked by a suspect. (b) The bogus spiritualistic se'ance to frighten the culprit into giving himself away. (c) Forged fingerprints. (d) The dummy-figure alibi. (e) The dog that does not bark and thereby reveals the fact that the intruder is familiar. (f)The final pinning of the crime on a twin, or a relative who looks exactly like the suspected, but innocent, person. (g) The hypodermic syringe and the knockout drops. (h) The commission of the murder in a locked room after the police have actually broken in. (i) The word association test for guilt. (j) The cipher, or code letter, which is eventually unraveled by the sleuth. The 20th Commandment was broken, according to Willard. I propose that points D, G, H, and J have been violated.
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Nov 8, 2013 18:11:00 GMT 12
We are given 3 people we assumed to be the detective you did not rebut this blue. Kyrie is dead! Eva saw Meta Natsuhi! Hemples Raven! With this i am more than certain that Battler is the Detective! You have far more than three possible people to suspect to be the detective.
Nice try! There is one detective in every game, this player will live until the end of the game. Everything that is seen and observed by the detective is regarded as absolute and indisputable truth, the detective may be revealed by the GM. The Detective cannot be the true culprit.Throughout most of the game we have seen the perspective of 3 people when no one was performing actions these 3 people are the ones I have specified: Kyrie, Eva, and Battler. Rosa came in later, Natsuhi is long gone, Kanon has yet to be spoken to. Maria, Jessica, George, Hideyoshi, Kinzo, Rudolf, Krauss, Kyrie, Shannon, Genji, Gohda, Kinzo, and Nanjo are all presumed dead! Eva saw the meta perspective! HEMPLES RAVEN!I can now guarantee that Battler is the Detective!
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Post by animex75 on Nov 8, 2013 18:11:28 GMT 12
The body of "Shannon" was one of the servants in disguise. The detective is standing in the same room as Eva. Kyrie's murder scene was staged to make it look like it was more violent than it was. In reality, she was killed by a stab wound. The furniture servants are not really dead yet. As the detective hasn't seen them, their deaths are not guaranteed! The body identified as the corpse of Shannon was not one of the servants in disguise. Kyrie's cause of death was not killed by a stab wound. The servants, with the exception of Kanon, are all dead. Well how about this, then? There was no corpse in Shannon's clothing. Kyrie was killed from outside the building, hence why a gunshot was not heard.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 8, 2013 18:15:21 GMT 12
You have far more than three possible people to suspect to be the detective.
Nice try! There is one detective in every game, this player will live until the end of the game. Everything that is seen and observed by the detective is regarded as absolute and indisputable truth, the detective may be revealed by the GM. The Detective cannot be the true culprit.Throughout most of the game we have seen the perspective of 3 people when no one was performing actions these 3 people are the ones I have specified: Kyrie, Eva, and Battler. Rosa came in later, Natsuhi is long gone, Kanon has yet to be spoken to. Maria, Jessica, George, Hideyoshi, Kinzo, Rudolf, Krauss, Kyrie, Shannon, Genji, Gohda, Kinzo, and Nanjo are all presumed dead! Eva saw the meta perspective! HEMPLES RAVEN!I can now guarantee that Battler is the Detective! I have provided the perspectives of more than 3 people: Shannon Kanon Beatrice Rosa Eva Natsuhi Krauss Sakutarou KyrieI CAN GUARANTEE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE YOU MAY SUSPECT AS BEING THE DETECTIVE!
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Post by Cloud on Nov 8, 2013 18:16:22 GMT 12
The body identified as the corpse of Shannon was not one of the servants in disguise. Kyrie's cause of death was not killed by a stab wound. The servants, with the exception of Kanon, are all dead. Well how about this, then? There was no corpse in Shannon's clothing. Kyrie was killed from outside the building, hence why a gunshot was not heard. There was a corpse in Shannon's clothing. Kyrie was not killed from the outside.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 8, 2013 18:17:26 GMT 12
Eva is not the detective battler is not the detective. Kyrie is now an accomplice I will not rebut these statements.
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Post by animex75 on Nov 8, 2013 18:22:25 GMT 12
Nice try! There is one detective in every game, this player will live until the end of the game. Everything that is seen and observed by the detective is regarded as absolute and indisputable truth, the detective may be revealed by the GM. The Detective cannot be the true culprit.Throughout most of the game we have seen the perspective of 3 people when no one was performing actions these 3 people are the ones I have specified: Kyrie, Eva, and Battler. Rosa came in later, Natsuhi is long gone, Kanon has yet to be spoken to. Maria, Jessica, George, Hideyoshi, Kinzo, Rudolf, Krauss, Kyrie, Shannon, Genji, Gohda, Kinzo, and Nanjo are all presumed dead! Eva saw the meta perspective! HEMPLES RAVEN!I can now guarantee that Battler is the Detective! I have provided the perspectives of more than 3 people: Shannon Kanon Beatrice Rosa Eva Natsuhi Krauss Sakutarou KyrieI CAN GUARANTEE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE YOU MAY SUSPECT AS BEING THE DETECTIVE! Allow me to tear this one up. The Shannon personality is DEAD and cannot be the detective. Beatrice is a meta character and cannot be the detective; at worst, she could represent the detective. Eva saw Natsuhi appear and disappear through magic and cannot be the detective. Natsuhi has seen magic and magical characters and cannot be the detective. Krauss is DEAD and cannot be the detective. Sakutaro is a meta character with a stuffed animal as a real-world equivalent; at worst, he would represent the detective but most of his perspective has taken place in the cousins' room in the guest house and represents the lone survivor of the attack in there. Kyrie is DEAD and cannot be the detective.Therefore, I can guarantee that the detective is either Rosa, Battler, or Kanon. I propose that Kanon is the detective of this game. Why would he be the lone survivor of the servants if he was not the culprit or the detective? Kanon cannot be the culprit because Van Dine's 11th has not been violated. The detective must survive until the final game board phase, and Kanon has thus far succeeded in that.
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Post by animex75 on Nov 8, 2013 18:24:06 GMT 12
Well how about this, then? There was no corpse in Shannon's clothing. Kyrie was killed from outside the building, hence why a gunshot was not heard. There was a corpse in Shannon's clothing. Kyrie was not killed from the outside. That corpse was one of the cousins. The detective is not in the Kuwadorian as they would have been able to hear the gunshot that killed Kyrie from inside the mansion.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 8, 2013 18:26:25 GMT 12
I have provided the perspectives of more than 3 people: Shannon Kanon Beatrice Rosa Eva Natsuhi Krauss Sakutarou KyrieI CAN GUARANTEE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE YOU MAY SUSPECT AS BEING THE DETECTIVE! Allow me to tear this one up. The Shannon personality is DEAD and cannot be the detective. Beatrice is a meta character and cannot be the detective; at worst, she could represent the detective. Eva saw Natsuhi appear and disappear through magic and cannot be the detective. Natsuhi has seen magic and magical characters and cannot be the detective. Krauss is DEAD and cannot be the detective. Sakutaro is a meta character with a stuffed animal as a real-world equivalent; at worst, he would represent the detective but most of his perspective has taken place in the cousins' room in the guest house and represents the lone survivor of the attack in there. Kyrie is DEAD and cannot be the detective.Therefore, I can guarantee that the detective is either Rosa, Battler, or Kanon. I propose that Kanon is the detective of this game. Why would he be the lone survivor of the servants if he was not the culprit or the detective? Kanon cannot be the culprit because Van Dine's 11th has not been violated. The detective must survive until the final game board phase, and Kanon has thus far succeeded in that.Whilst I like this gold truth much better, allow me to state that Kanon is not a servant anymore. It has been stated for a very long time that his employed - Kinzo - is dead. I am of course referring to the original Kinzo Ushiromiya whose death was revealed at the start of this game. Until the death of Krauss, the only servant was Gohda, having been employed by him.
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Post by Cloud on Nov 8, 2013 18:27:14 GMT 12
There was a corpse in Shannon's clothing. Kyrie was not killed from the outside. That corpse was one of the cousins. The detective is not in the Kuwadorian as they would have been able to hear the gunshot that killed Kyrie from inside the mansion. The corpse was not one of the cousins. The detective is in Kuwadorian and they did hear the gunshot that killed Kyrie.
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Post by Yamon Venzli on Nov 8, 2013 18:33:28 GMT 12
Nice try! There is one detective in every game, this player will live until the end of the game. Everything that is seen and observed by the detective is regarded as absolute and indisputable truth, the detective may be revealed by the GM. The Detective cannot be the true culprit.Throughout most of the game we have seen the perspective of 3 people when no one was performing actions these 3 people are the ones I have specified: Kyrie, Eva, and Battler. Rosa came in later, Natsuhi is long gone, Kanon has yet to be spoken to. Maria, Jessica, George, Hideyoshi, Kinzo, Rudolf, Krauss, Kyrie, Shannon, Genji, Gohda, Kinzo, and Nanjo are all presumed dead! Eva saw the meta perspective! HEMPLES RAVEN!I can now guarantee that Battler is the Detective! I have provided the perspectives of more than 3 people: Shannon Kanon Beatrice Rosa Eva Natsuhi Krauss Sakutarou KyrieI CAN GUARANTEE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE YOU MAY SUSPECT AS BEING THE DETECTIVE! Most of the people you have specified are presumed dead as i have stated earlier!Shannon is dead.Kanon's perspective has many holes in it!Beatrice's perspective hardly followed!Rosa was found by Battler and Kyrie later onEva Saw Meta Natsuhi (Only the Detective can see the truth)Natsuhi Saw Kinzo and Gaap (Only the Detective can see the truth)Sakutarou Is trapped inside a room (6. The detective novel must have a detective in it; and a detective is not a detective unless he detects. 1. The reader must have equal opportunity with the detective for solving the mystery. All clues must be plainly stated and described.) Kyrie's death was not faked. Why wasn't it faked? BECAUSE BATTLER THE DETECTIVE SAW HER!Why are you trying so hard to deny me this?Battler is the detective. If he isn't just say it in red.Come on it's not that hard to deny him in red is it?Besides if he isn't a detective the game would just destroy one of the holy rule everyone must follow! Because of this logic you have helped construct If you deny Battler as the Detective who else would be the detective? If the detective was never able to solve it in the first place that makes this game illegitimate with us unable to win what-so-ever!So just admit it!Stop hiding!come out with it!You know that I know that I am right!And if I am wrong than who could possibly be the detective?Everyone else is long gone!Kyrie is dead, You admitted it!So just state it! BAtTLeR iS THe dETecTIvE! ANd i juST PrOveD It!
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Post by Epilos303 on Nov 8, 2013 18:35:13 GMT 12
Please repeat this for me: Nanjo was seen by the detective outside the cousins room (the chained room where Jessica's body was seen) during the investigation of the first twilight (the time period where the survivors attempted and failed to get into the room and the garden shed).
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Post by Cloud on Nov 8, 2013 18:38:17 GMT 12
I have provided the perspectives of more than 3 people: Shannon Kanon Beatrice Rosa Eva Natsuhi Krauss Sakutarou KyrieI CAN GUARANTEE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE YOU MAY SUSPECT AS BEING THE DETECTIVE! Most of the people you have specified are presumed dead as i have stated earlier!Shannon is dead.Kanon's perspective has many holes in it!Beatrice's perspective hardly followed!Rosa was found by Battler and Kyrie later onEva Saw Meta Natsuhi (Only the Detective can see the truth)Natsuhi Saw Kinzo and Gaap (Only the Detective can see the truth)Sakutarou Is trapped inside a room (6. The detective novel must have a detective in it; and a detective is not a detective unless he detects. 1. The reader must have equal opportunity with the detective for solving the mystery. All clues must be plainly stated and described.) Kyrie's death was not faked. Why wasn't it faked? BECAUSE BATTLER THE DETECTIVE SAW HER!Why are you trying so hard to deny me this?Battler is the detective. If he isn't just say it in red.Come on it's not that hard to deny him in red is it?Besides if he isn't a detective the game would just destroy one of the holy rule everyone must follow! Because of this logic you have helped construct If you deny Battler as the Detective who else would be the detective? If the detective was never able to solve it in the first place that makes this game illegitimate with us unable to win what-so-ever!So just admit it!Stop hiding!come out with it!You know that I know that I am right!And if I am wrong than who could possibly be the detective?Everyone else is long gone!Kyrie is dead, You admitted it!So just state it! BAtTLeR iS THe dETecTIvE! ANd i juST PrOveD It! Stop using gold. I have already stated outright that Battler is not the only person who can be detective. Rosa has been with the group whenever Battler has investigated crime scenes, her perspective doesn't need to be shown, it just needs to be said that everything Battler has seen, Rosa has seen also.
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