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Post by Cloud on Sept 8, 2013 13:30:52 GMT 12
ShKanon? Rosatrice? George? Rudolf/Kyrie? The possibilities are endless! So please, shed us your own thoughts on who you think may have committed the massacre of Rokkenjima on October 4-6 1986. I'd expect some blue and red as well, have fun, kids!
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Post by EphemeralRose on Sept 8, 2013 14:56:30 GMT 12
Why is George a theory? Isn't his existence pretty well established?
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Post by Cloud on Sept 8, 2013 15:13:38 GMT 12
His fat hasn't been stated but has been implied to be there. (No the theory is that he's the murderer, which is stupid, George couldn't do jack shit.)
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Post by animex75 on Sept 8, 2013 18:02:26 GMT 12
I don't believe in Yasu, either, because Yasu is never once mentioned by name! As for murderer theories, Yasu being the culprit would violate Knox's 1st and Van Dine's 11th since Yasu hides amongst the servants. Then again, Yasu's everything violates Van Dine's 3rd since they serve as a love interest for more than one person!
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Post by Cloud on Sept 8, 2013 18:51:34 GMT 12
Yasu represents the ShKanon culprit theory, their name is unimportant. Their existence is presented early in the game therefore they do not violate Knox's 1st. Shannon and Kanon are not "hired" they are taught and forced to graduate and serve Kinzo from the Fukuuin House and therefore, in a more technical sense, are not servants. If taking into consideration their possible existence as a child of Kinzo, which is implied by Kuwadorian!Beatrice's conversation with Rosa (which was confirmed in red) then it is highly likely, implied that there is a child of her living amongst the original 18 suspects. This places ShKanon as a character directly linked to the family and not just servants, Knox's 1st and Van Dine's 11th are still intact! The love interests are not breaking Van Dine's 3rd, the investigation and resolution of the tale is not dependent on nor resultant in the success of either Shannon's relationship with either Battler or George or Kanon's relationship with Jessica! Van Dine's 3rd is still intact!
If you do not believe in ShKanon, it is still possible to solve the first four games using only Shannon or Kanon with the other as an accomplice. Their infatuation and story arc revolving around being and detesting the notion of being "furniture" removes the status of servant from their persons. Genji, Gohda and Kumasawa never abandon the name of servant and remain servants, this does not apply to Shannon and Kanon as they abandon the name of "furniture."
Even if Shannon and Kanon ARE servants then let it be known that it is possible that Yoshiya and/or Sayo can be culprits as their Shannon and Kanon names are the only names that are classified as servants, not Yoshiya and Sayo! The servants Kumasawa, Gohda and Genji retain their real names as servants and therefore remain as such!
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Post by animex75 on Sept 8, 2013 18:59:29 GMT 12
If Yasu represents the ShKanon theory, then Yasu themself doesn't exist! Shannon or Kanon as the culprit do not violate Knox's 1st, but if Yasu were a real, flesh-and-blood person hiding as Shannon and Kanon, and they were the culprit then that would as Yasu is never mentioned in the early part of the story, while Shannon and Kanon are!
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Post by Cloud on Sept 8, 2013 19:09:45 GMT 12
The disproving of Yasu doesn't disprove the ShKanon theory at all! The theory has existed long before Episode 7 and still stands. The name Yasu is just an accessory and not integral to the ShKanon theory!
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Post by EphemeralRose on Sept 8, 2013 19:59:37 GMT 12
The idea of one person being able to keep up a disguise as two separate people who interact with the same people on a daily basis over several years, and none of those other people ever noticing, is ludicrous beyond belief.
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Post by Cloud on Sept 8, 2013 20:20:52 GMT 12
The idea of one person being able to keep up a disguise as two separate people who interact with the same people on a daily basis over several years, and none of those other people ever noticing, is ludicrous beyond belief. Shannon and Kanon were EXTREMELY RARELY on duty at the same time. The Ushiromiya family conference is the exception in which they were asked to be on at the same time specifically by Natsuhi and Krauss.
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Post by animex75 on Sept 9, 2013 4:47:26 GMT 12
That doesn't matter, because somebody still should have noticed that these two looked like the same person in two different sets of clothes! Also, Yasu is not an accessory as that is the name of this supposed person that supposedly manages to fool the entire family into thinking they're more than one person!
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Post by Cloud on Sept 9, 2013 9:50:03 GMT 12
That doesn't matter, because somebody still should have noticed that these two looked like the same person in two different sets of clothes! Also, Yasu is not an accessory as that is the name of this supposed person that supposedly manages to fool the entire family into thinking they're more than one person! The residents of Rokkenjima, Krauss, Natsuhi and Kinzo were already aware of Shannon and Kanon being the same person! The name of Shannon and Kanon is irrelevant and could be anything, what matters is that Shannon and Kanon are the same person!
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Post by animex75 on Sept 9, 2013 10:04:03 GMT 12
I was referring more to the other members of the family, such as Jessica or George.
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Post by Ebilkitty on Sept 9, 2013 10:21:50 GMT 12
That would be a hilarious exchange between Jessica and George
Jessica: I've been hitting on your girlfriend?! George: I've been hitting on your boyfriend?! (said at same time for maximum hilarity)
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Post by Cloud on Sept 9, 2013 10:24:27 GMT 12
It is in fact implied that George is aware that, at the very least, Shannon has a body that cannot "love" George or have children with him. This can be possible if it is explained to him that Shannon is really a male.
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Post by animex75 on Sept 9, 2013 10:47:44 GMT 12
Or she's been sterilized and/or still loves Battler on some level.
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Post by Cloud on Sept 9, 2013 10:51:52 GMT 12
Whatever the motive, the method is still possible and likely due to Genji and Kumasawa's assurance and protection of the truth.
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Post by Cloud on Sept 9, 2013 10:52:06 GMT 12
Whatever the motive, the method is still possible and likely due to Genji and Kumasawa's assurance and protection of the truth.
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Post by NinjasPlayCardGames2 on Sept 15, 2013 4:23:42 GMT 12
Battler did it, case closed. Also its been implied that Erika isn't an actual physical human on Rokkenjima, but actually one of the people on the island. If Battler is the culprit then it makes perfect sense that he's Erika since Erikas been both the detective and the murderer.
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Post by Cloud on Sept 15, 2013 17:46:57 GMT 12
Thus making Rokkenjima Prime result in the separation of the Battler and Hacijou Tohya. The Detective and the Killer. Very nice.
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Post by Tea the witch of dreams on Nov 6, 2013 8:03:29 GMT 12
You know just from the anime they fuck you up really bad. Zeus and myself were really into Higurashi when the anime had just come out so of course we had ran off to go watch the anime. But Goddamn was that thing a mess. For a long time before we got our hands on the visual novels we sat around wrongfully hating Ange because the anime gives such a horrible impression of her. When in the visual novel shes an amazing character and one of my favorites. The best part of the anime was seeing battler lead around naked on the chain and they even fucked that scene up. But still by the end of the anime it is appearant that Kanon and shannon were involved. They just don't give any of the early hints about yasu in the anime.
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